Patrol Shoot 06/19/2001
 
 

Finish

Teams

SteelPoints

PaperPoints

TimeMinutes

TimeSeconds

TotalPoints

Factor

 

 

 

Match

Neill

Goodfellow

 

Directors

Rocky

Mink

415

1553

18:38

1118

1968

850

 

 

 

1

Buzz

Chapman

 

 

D

Brizendine

380

1548

24:15

1445

1928

488

 

 

 

2

Rob

Oates

 

 

Ken

Reed

415

1551

26:42

1602

1966

364

 

 

 

3

Larry

Webster

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Seth

Webster

380

1589

29:31

1771

1969

198

 

 

 

4

Brian

Edgerton

 

 

Devon

Jones

415

1448

27:48

1668

1863

195

 

 

 

5

Brian

Babcock

 

 

Matt

Goodfell

415

1320

26:56

1616

1735

119

 

 

 

6

William

Tuttle

 

 

Dan

Tuttle

400

1408

28:38

1718

1808

90

 

 

 

7

Randy

Peterson

 

 

Keith

Peterson

335

1315

29:10

1750

1650

-100

 

 
All teams will get a nice certificate stating their placement in the mail.
 
 
Match Director’s Comments:
 
First know your weapon. What does it need to function. Does 
it need lube, what kind, what's best, what do others do.
 
Ammo, what works best your reloads, factory, mil. surplus, 
what does? Is the ammo reliable?
 
Mags, do they work, some do some do not and have you tested 
ALL OF THEM in your gun.  What is your zero is it written 
down, do you remember it, same zero-different ammo?  What 
is your zero at different ranges?
 
Weapon compatability. 45 ACP mags will not fit in a Glock 
22, nor will the ammo exchange. Nor will SKS stripper clips 
and ammo work with a AR15. If a weapon is lost or deadlined 
the extra ammo becomes worthless. Something to think about.
 
Communications and movement. No team effectively 
communicated or moved very effectively hence the high 
times.  Teams have to be able to communicate on movement, 
targets, shots fired, assist on targets etc.  Team 
efficency goes to hell with out effective member commo.  We 
watched as one team member would wait while his buddy 
finished shooting a target.  He should have jumped in and 
helped. By counting shots they would know when to quit. 
 
Team work also means talking about movement and shooter 
placement in relation to each other so that some one does 
not get hurt(read that shot by his buddy).  All this comes 
with working with someone on a regular basis and practice.
 
Equipment, LBE's.  Did it work, what will make it better.  
Dump pouchs?  Hand offs to partner on mag changes.  Are 
your mags secure and accessible. Does your LBE hinder 
movement.  Is the gear and equipment placed in an efficent
manner.
 
Optics. Can give an advantage in CQB. Red Dot sites are 
faster than iron sites, yet are not as effective at longer 
ranges.  I am not sure of the solution to optics versus 
iron in a match setting.  One could have different classes 
or just not worry about it.  Possibly use some kind of 
handicap, ie. time placed on the optic user. Optics have 
disavantages and have not really been proven in serious 
combat. Line troops do not have optics, yet Marine Force 
Recon issues the Aim Point which is a $300.00 item for us 
lowly civilians.  With my aging eyes optics really help 
for close range combat shooting, ie. 100 yards or less but 
I feel hindered at the longer ranges.
 
BJones sites might help if one stays with iron sites.  
Ken's groups were much tighter than most and pretty much 
stayed in the 5 zone. 40 was the maximum points on the 
steel targets.  Ken's team shot 19 targets that scored 40.
Rocky and my self shot 8 forty point targets yet most of 
our points were still in the high 30's so we were not at 
much of a disadvantage point wise.  In combat one wants as 
much advantage as possible.  I am open on how to handle the 
optics issues since we want to train with what one intends 
to use.
 
I Think all in all we had a good shoot.  I think all had 
fun and learned some things.  This kind of course is time 
intensive, setting up and in shooting the course.  I spent, 
with help, 3 evenings for several hours each evening just
setting up the COF.  Any ideas on running the course etc... 
will be entertained.  I am seriously considering a 4 man 
team COF.  Would require that the team have some earlier 
practice at some of our side matchs over the next year 
doing some specific drills with each other so that we could 
do it safely.  Your thoughts and comments here would also 
be appreciated.
 
Watch Six. Neill Goodfellow